Occupy Youngstown Will Remain In Youngstown

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Updated: 11/13/2011 12:30 am

About 20 members of the group Occupy Youngstown met up for a general assembly to discuss the direction of the movement. This comes just a day after police and firefighters confiscated their tents and burn barrels because they violated city codes. The group said they plan on taking legal action.

"There's already a federal injunction in Cincinnati," said Thomas Sabatini, an Occupy Youngstown protester.  "There were local rulings about tents in Cleveland.  And so, we're thinking about the federal injunction, and we're also talking about perhaps pursuing the local courts."

The protesters also discussed appealing directly to city government.

"To have the ordinances changed to allow for free speech," said Sabatini.

Occupy Youngstown is getting a broad base of support, many who stepped in when their belongings were confiscated Friday.
[Notes:JIM VILLANI, BUSINESS OWNER]

"When this problem arose, and they were evicted, I offered to give them space to store their belongings in my building on Phelps street, because the police were otherwise gonna take them away," said Jim Villani, a Downtown Youngstown business owner, and protester.

The group said people had the impression they were leaving after the election on November 8th, but protesters said they have a lot more on their agenda, and they don't have an ending date at this time.

"My biggest issue is that we need to do something besides trickle down," said Sean O'Toole.  "We need to get the money out of politics.  All of our politicians are owned by the corporations and the banks at this time."

They plan on staying as long as they have to, and will resist anything that takes away their constitutional rights.

"The important thing to bear in mind is that city ordinances are not the Constitution," said Sabatini.  "The First Amendment allows us to use public space for the freedom of assembly and the freedom of speech.  And our Constitution trumps their ordinances."
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pgurney - 11/13/2011 10:36 PM
Oh good grief! Once AGAIN, you are not, and have not, been denied your "right" to free speech. They (I) do not want to see tents, sleeping bags, burn barrels, etc, downtown. It's NOT a campground! Free speech yourself til you're blue in the face, for all I care. But sleep at home or at a campground. It's not all that hard to understand. REALLY it isn't.

Polytux KDE - 11/13/2011 9:50 AM
Do I have this right? Occupiers want what, our courts (lawyers and judges increasing bent on judicially tyranny) to help them change our laws to change the status quo? If not the courts then certain vocal legislators? Certainly not anyone connected with the last remaining branch of gov't! You want change? Look at Ohio issue 2. Get a referendum on the ballot. THAT is the only power we have in the face of the great inertia of the gov't under the influence of the money of Big Business. And btw I also include under the banner of Big Business the PACs and such run by left wing and right wing organizations funded by billionaires. Yes, referenda! That is your only protected tool for change. Free speech and assembly doesn't necessarily work anymore because of permit requirements. If it's on the ballot then we the people can make the difference. We can legislate by petition to get referenda on the ballot. Does that mean getting involved and giving up out TV time? Yes. But with social (internet) media outlets available it is so much easier. Maybe not for long. As long as the FCC can legislate from behind an office desk we are not assured of those media. With a pen stroke it can become unavailable. It might go to the courts but nothing is assured with some court benches legislating by the tyranny of their own whims. So, pack up for the Winter, reorganize such that the troublemakers giving the Occupy movement a bad name are shunned and come back armed with petitions and a direction for eliminating the corruption that exists between government and the money that puts them in office. And let's cut their health benefits to match our while we're at it.

cciccone61 - 11/13/2011 5:00 AM
I love it when someone tries to invoke the Constitution. Please understand that our rights are NOT absolute so the comment regarding "trump[ing] their ordinances" is a mistatement of law.

Kenn Space - 11/13/2011 1:04 AM
The Corporate Occupation of the United States Our corporate controlled government (through corporate lobbying and election funding ) is out of the peoples control. People want government control back. Makes sense to me… I feel US corporate capitalism (corporatism) is a type of economic fascism: To have a corporate being where the chain of command eventually muddles all responsibility to any human being. These corporate beings are running your life, and controlling your government. (Enough to really make an individual mad and protest.) In reality, the corporate being does not exist, and when it comes to face it’s corporate responsibility, it is a piece of paper. (Or a CEO saying; “I do not recall that”, “I did not have that information”, “that was not my responsibility, I was running the company, and not just that department”,,, and on and on. It has bred a corporate culture of abuse, because they keep getting away with it..), Corporate person-hood is plain and simply wrong: A corporation is not a human being. Restore capitalism to individual responsible chains of command, or this struggle will be lost. Please Sign the petition to amend the Constitution for revoking corporate personhood at: movetoamend.org (I feel January 20th, 2012: will be a bigger day in US history than WTO in Seattle. The battle continues, rage against the machine is real.) January 20, 2012 – Move to Amend Occupies the Courts! Move To Amend is planning bold action to mark this date — Occupy the Courts — a one day occupation on Friday January 20, 2012, of the Federal Courts, including the Supreme Court of the United States and as many of the 89 U.S. District Court Buildings as we can. (I am inspired by Doctor Martin Luther King who said; "a true revolution of values", ... "there comes a time when silence is betrayal".

stanchaz - 11/12/2011 8:17 PM
There will always be people that try to deny the right of American Citizens to have their say, and to demand change. This does not alter the basic facts: America USED to work. The people had work. The system worked. Hey, EVEN the Congress used to work (sometimes). God knows, it was far, far, far from perfect -but at least we all had some share in the struggles AND the rewards. But somewhere along the way, we lost our way. Because now we have an economy and a political system that seems to work only for the rich. What they call "trickle down economics"....leaves most of us out in the cold cold rain. We need to get back to what America was, and what it should be, and what it can be. Occupy Wall Street is no longer just a place called Zuccotti Park - Zuccotti Park is everywhere. You can beat us and arrest us and tear-gas us, you can try to "permit" us to death....but you can't kill an idea. You can't keep down a people’s hopes and dreams for a better life.....a life with dignity and freedom....for us, and for our kids. More power to Occupy Wall Street, as it spreads to every town and city - because OWS is us, and for us, and by us. It comes up from the grassroots, and it lifts us up in turn. With OWS America has found it’s voice, and that voice demands fairness and justice -for ALL. This land IS our land! AND WE WANT IT BACK! We want our LIVES back! We want our FUTURE back! But it’s more than just words.... it’s more than just politics.... it’s your LIFE, and how you want to live it. So why not take some time, find a quiet place somewhere, and consider this: Each of us has only one brief life....one chance....one roll of the dice....and many choices. It’s time to choose....to risk...and to act. If not now...then when? If not you, then....who? You DO have the power my friend....and the choice is yours. Don’t let your dreams die.

becauseisaidso - 11/12/2011 7:30 PM
there all kinds of seasonal jobs available but i guess they would rather whine about it than do something. I just picked up a part time seasonal job. They are looking for full time too but they cant find anyone who WANTS to work, pass the background check and drug tests. What a shame. I know two landscapers looking for someone to just help with leaves and cant find anyone. they pay cash because they know the people wont show up for work again once they get paid or find out it is WORK. there are jobs but you actually have to work and show up to have one

MunyBoy - 11/12/2011 7:25 PM
Not surprised they are not leaving. This crew doesn't look they have to be anywhere soon, like work.
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